Friday, November 24, 2006


The United States.
has toppled.
foreign governments.
14 times.
in the 110 years between.
the 1893 coup.
in Hawaii.
and the occupation of Iraq.


Blogger Cocaine Jesus said...

makes you wonder just whose empire was the more benign doesn't it? if empire can be benign.

Friday, November 24, 2006 11:32:00 am  
Blogger Dr Anthony Donovan said...

Nowt benign about America, I would say. I think I'll live long enough to see it again use the power of the atom against people: to protect its interests.

Friday, November 24, 2006 3:39:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does that figure include the covert operations, destabilisations and CIA training for death-squads?

Friday, November 24, 2006 5:45:00 pm  
Blogger Inconsequential said...

the whole point of the doing the toppling was to install democrocy, i say whole point, we know that's bollox, but the lip service they give us is 'it's for democrocy'

so, how many are democratic now?

oh, yes, that's right.

Zero --- (please say with american accent)

i think i got my facts? straight on this one, won't mind being corrected though...

any offers above the big nought?

Friday, November 24, 2006 6:39:00 pm  
Blogger Dr Anthony Donovan said...

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Friday, November 24, 2006 7:15:00 pm  
Blogger Dr Anthony Donovan said...

Anthony: I doubt it.

Inc: No offers above the 0 from me, mate.

Thing is, democracy is an absolute concept: ie. one cannot have degrees of democracy; a system is either democratic or it isn't. Actually, there are no democracies in existence. There are only less harsh, less devisive, less unfair plutocracies/oligarchies. Hence, one would rather live in the West than in, say, Chad. One's feeling in that way is, of course, inseperable from one's origins, on the one hand, and the natural enough desire for comfort, security, and opportunity, on the other. This is no vie to live in North Korea. But we are routinely - and erroneously - told in the West that the West is both the best and the logic extent of the civilising enterprise. We can debate this. But it is true enough to say that living in a capitalist system has huge downsides - in terms of mental illness; loneliness, alienation and dissociation; and poverty and inequality, which other supposedly poorer countries have less of. I cannot separate my instinctive feeling that I would rather live in the West than in Chad exactly because I am a product of here. But that doesn't mean that that system - values, mores, ideas - is all there is. One needs to be either very stupid or very self-interested to actually think that invading Iraq etc. was anything to do with humanism. From The Crusades to T.E. Lawrence to the Bush family's adverturism, it's just the West wanting something from The Middle East: that is Jerusalem, an ally against the Turks (further destablising of the erstwhile Ottoman Empire), and oil, respectively.

Friday, November 24, 2006 10:55:00 pm  
Blogger Aaron Held said...

interesting/sad world we live in :)

Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:15:00 pm  
Blogger Aaron Held said...

I don't think any form of government can work without some changes in the human being itself...

Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:20:00 pm  

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